Live from Music Row Thursday morning on The Tennessee Star Report with Michael Patrick Leahy – broadcast on Nashville’s Talk Radio 98.3 and 1510 WLAC weekdays from 5:00 a.m. to 8:00 a.m. – host Leahy welcomed all-star panelist, Dr. Carol Swain, to the studio.
At the end of the second hour, Swain weighed in on President Trump’s recent executive order on September 22 regarding the classification of racial and sexual identities. She added that she felt the president has done more for the Black community in her lifetime than any other president.
(President Trump clip plays)
Leahy: And that’s President Trump talking about his efforts to promote economic development in the Black community. Carol, what are your thoughts?
Swain: He’s also done more for Black colleges and universities. And I would agree with President Trump that he’s done more than any president in my lifetime.
Leahy: He says that and then the lefties on the mainstream media start rolling their eyes. What! More than any other president since Abraham Lincoln.
Swain: I’m saying more than any president in my lifetime. And if you look at Lyndon Johson and his great society and all the things he tried to do, that helped set the country further in the wrong direction. And it sort of destroyed a lot. It was part of the policies that came out of the 1960s that really helped bring America down as well as the Black community.
Leahy: Wait. Wait. Wait. Lyndon Johnson started that war on poverty in 1964. Let’s see.
Swain: It was a boondoggle for (Leahy laughs) groups and organizations and it didn’t do what it was intended to do.
Leahy: Poverty had been declining until then. And now what, 12 percent were officially in poverty?
Swain: I remember when I was in graduate school and one of my professors was really pushing that whenever you criticize the behavior of the poor or minorities you were blaming the victim.
Leahy: Were you the victim, Carol?
Swain: I’ve never been a victim. And I’m not a victim now. (Leahy laughs)
Leahy: That I can attest to Carol.
Swain: But one of the things that President Trump has done and everything he does is always twisted. He signed an executive order on the 22nd that had to do with racial and sex stereotyping. And it’s significant because it really is a blow against the critical theory. Critical race theory. Critical gender theory.
And I believe it will benefit all Americans because it makes it very clear that its wrong to discriminate on the basis of race and sex. And that is a message that needs to be reaffirmed. It’s discrimination against the 1964 Civil Rights Act as well as the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th amendment. I believe we often lose sight that it applies to everyone including White Americans.
And if you do end discrimination or make an effort to move toward a society where you are judging people as individuals and not by their group identities, I think that will push us closer towards racial reconciliation. There are fewer sources of conflict if you are not pitting one racial group against another.
Leahy: Now Carol, you said he signed this executive order on the 22nd. That’s the day before yesterday. Do I have that right?
Leahy: Here is the thing. I’ve not read anything about it in the mainstream media.
Swain: It doesn’t get any attention. You have a better reading voice so you can read this paragraph. It’s the key element.
Leahy: This is the key paragraph signed by executive order two days ago. Today however many people are pushing a different vision of America that is grounded in a hierarchy based on social and political identities rather than in the inherent and equal dignity of every person as an individual.
This ideology is rooted in the perdition and false belief that America is an irredeemable racist and sexist country. And that some people based on their race or sex are oppressors. And that racial and sexual identities are more important than our common status as human beings and Americans. President Trump’s executive order two days ago.
Swain: I think that is very important. And I also believe that for us to have more racial harmony in this country that we have to address the crime and the violence that is taking place in Black communities. And the crime against Whites because they are White. We have to treat those as hate crimes the same way that we treat White on Black or White or Hispanic crimes as hate crimes. We have to have one standard and not a double standard.
Leahy: The language of the president’s executive order sounded very familiar to me. It sounded like language that Carol Swain has used at some time. (Swain chuckles) I’m just pointing this out, Carol. Do you have any comment about that?
Swain: I’ve been talking about what’s been taking place for a number of years.
Leahy: I’m just saying that that language is very familiar.
Swain: I think so and I’m very pleased that the president has taken a stand.
Leahy: Do you want to share anything with us about that?
Swain: I spoke at the Council on National Policy a few weeks ago and about the executive orders and some of the decisions about banning diversity, I want to call it exclusion training. But diversity, they call it equity training in federal agencies came after my presentation.
And I’ve also written articles about it and I’ve been talking about it like forever. Let the record reflect that in 2016 I said that the Black Lives Matter organization was Marxist and it was destructive and I paid a high price for speaking the truth.
Leahy: By the way, Carol did you see that the Black Lives Matter organization has taken down their about us section everything that is Marxist about them. They just took it down off the website.
Swain: They are the same organization. They are sanitizing the website. And the website was more extreme back in 2016. It’s the same organization. And you remember how the Southern Poverty Law Center bankrupted the Klan and the Arian Nations because it sued them whenever their members engaged in violence?
Swain: I think that if Black Lives Matter affiliates continue to push violence they should be held financially accountable. They need to be sued.
Leahy: I like that idea. I like that idea a lot.
Listen to the full second hour here:
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