Crom Carmichael Breaks Down the Bind of Communism, Fascism, and Socialism


Live from Music Row Monday morning on The Tennessee Star Report with Michael Patrick Leahy – broadcast on Nashville’s Talk Radio 98.3 and 1510 WLAC weekdays from 5:00 a.m. to 8:00 a.m. –  host Leahy welcomed the original all-star panelist Crom Carmichael to the studio.

During the second hour, Carmichael weighed in on CNN’s Christiane Amanpour’s recent statement where she compared Trump voters to Nazis and explained how communism, fascism, and socialism operate in concert with large corporations.

Leahy: We are joined in the studio by the original all-star panelist. A good friend for many many years, Crom Carmichael. You know Crom, I know Monday is going to be good when you’re here at 6:30 because now we get to have a nice conversation about whatever the news of the day is. And you know the news of the day is a little bit bleak these days for the good guys. And so you always have a nice perspective on these things. And so I’m always delighted to have you in to talk about that.

Carmichael: Well Michael, I was listening to the show on the way in and you were talking about voter fraud and I’m gonna push back a bit. Because I watched CNN and ABC (Leahy chuckles) and I watch the Masters Golf Tournament and I watched a couple of football games. And I found from watching activities that there was no voter fraud at all.

Leahy: Not at all. CNN says it was none. And then that it wasn’t widespread that confused me a bit. They went from none to not widespread. Kind of like went from no violence to peacefully to mostly peaceful.

Carmichael: Mostly peaceful. And so this was probably a mostly fraud-free election in that in the probably 80 percent of the votes…

Leahy: Were accurate.

Carmichael: Now most of those were for Trump of course. But there was lots of voter fraud. But here’s what’s interesting. Did you see what Christiane Amanpour said? Did you see what she said?

Leahy: Yes, kind of a holocaust denying statement.

Carmichael: Yeah, but here’s what’s interesting. Let me read something to you. What is what does the word fascism mean? And here’s the definition of what they say is. The definition is which I think is fascinating it’s a form of far-right authoritarian nationalism characterized by dictatorial power forcible suppression of the opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy.

Leahy: Where did you get that definition from?

Carmichael: From Wikipedia.

Leahy: Oh, from Wikipedia.

Carmichael:  You know, it’s all correct except for one thing.

Leahy: Far-right

Carmichael: Far-right. It’s not far-right? Do you know know what Hitler you know what his party was?

Leahy: National Socialists.

Carmichael: The National Socialist Party. So Hitler himself called himself a socialist. What does the left call themselves?

Leahy: Socialists.

Carmichael: Socialists. Yeah, and so and fascism is the way it operates is very much like communism. Communism is of the far left. The opposite of communism is free markets and individual liberty. That’s the opposite of communism. Fascism and communism are one in the same.

Leahy: With one little caveat on that in terms of how you get to that point. And the difference is that I think is that it’s that large corporations become part of governmental control.

Carmichael: Yes.

Leahy: That’s the difference. Communism comes from a little different perspective. They end at the same point.

Carmichael: Yes, as far as the average person is concerned they end at the same point.

Leahy: Exactly.

Carmichael: There’s total control of the individual by the government. And here’s what I’ve concluded as I look at the world today. The Communist Chinese Party should not be called communist. It should be called fascist because, in China, they do all of these things that are described in fascism. They do all of the things in terms of control, but they work with large corporations that are very connected to the central powers.

Leahy: It’s a very significant point you make here Crom and one that you’re articulating.

Carmichael: And I have the brain of a lizard (Leahy laughs) according to Jon Meacham. Which by the way calling other people that disagree with you animals is something that the National Socialists did. Those are the Nazis. So, Jon Meacham is more like a Nazi than he is anything else.

Leahy: So here’s what’s interesting, I think we’re going on exactly the same trend. You told me you were going to surprise me with what you are going to say and it’s actually not a surprise that you’ve said it because you’re articulating in a very good way what has been bothering many Americans and that includes me about where we are headed as a country.

Carmichael: We are very very close because understand this. What did Hitler do? Hitler was appointed Chancellor by Hindenburg. Hitler called for an election. He then had all kinds of violence in the streets. Intimidation all kinds of things before the election. The press was on his side. He got to be elected. He then turned himself into a dictator and abolished the Congress. That’s what Hitler did. And then he took total control of the country. And we know what happened in the world as a result of that. But it’s very important to understand the steps that he took. Christiane Amanpour would be a Hitler sympathizer.

Leahy: CNN.

Carmichael: Yes. In fact, all of CNN right now would be a Hitler sympathizer. MSNBC would be a Hitler sympathizer if they were broadcasting in the 30s.

Leahy: To continue on the control of everything by the government and large cooperation’s working in concert to stop freedom and free markets. That is fascism and this is what we see on a large scale in China. That’s how all the Chinese Communist Party leaders are getting rich and maintaining their control. Now, let’s take a look at at at large corporations working in concert with the government to constrain the rights of free markets and the individuals. I’ll give you the names of some companies that are doing that right now, Google, Facebook, Twitter, and Amazon.

Carmichael: Big Tech is the equivalent of the industrial state that supported Hitler. And by the way, those industrialists did extremely well under Hitler.

Leahy: Very well.

Carmichael: Until the defeat of Germany.

Leahy: Exactly.

Carmichael: And then some may have still managed to get their money out of Germany.

Leahy: Now related to that let’s take a look at CNN. CNN is you know owned by a large corporation. A large corporation. And they are touting aligned to support the Biden campaign. They’ve been doing that unabashedly for five years now really. And it ended up being the Biden campaign. This is a coordinated and aligned effort.

Carmichael: Yes.

Leahy: To basically belittle and demean those Americans who support our constitutional republic. Those Americans who supported President Trump to other those 73 million Trump supporters. That’s what’s going on right now.

Carmichael: Oh, yeah. And the regulatory state is another form of fascism. Once you get beyond a certain point in the regulatory state the regulations are not designed to benefit the people. They are designed to subjugate the people.

Leahy: Right. Because what they’re designed to do is maintain the monopoly or oligopoly position of the large corporations that have that interest. An example is the Consumer Finance Protection Bureau. Who’s that designed to protect? The large corporations. Not the small individual. That’s one example. But many many many others are out there.

Carmichael: Yeah, and that particular organization is so unhinged, or at least it was under Obama. It was so unhinged in what it was attempting to do that you could almost argue because they were trying to shut down, for example, they were trying to shut down payday loan shops. Taking payday loans over and over again is not a good idea. But people who take payday loans occasionally do it to pay the rent or keep their car. If they don’t do a payday loan…

Leahy: They lose the car.

Carmichael: Well no. But yes, they would in Tennessee.

Leahy: They would lose the car.

Carmichael: Okay. But if they’re in New York and New Jersey, they’re forced to do business with the mafia with organized crime. And then if they don’t pay it back, they lose their legs. So in other words, you could argue that that the particular organization is in league with organized crime in the major cities because the payday loan business is a legal business. They have very very high charge-offs. They lose a lot of their customers who are unable to pay it back.

Leahy: These are subprime and below.

Carmichael: Right. But my point is they take the loss and they move on. They don’t go and and and try to physically hurt the customer.

Leahy: Very good point.

Carmichael: It’s very important and we should say it over and over again that Hitler’s party was the National Socialist Party. For example, you talked about Steve Cohen. Hitler’s party didn’t espouse anything that Steve Cohen isn’t espousing. And I’m talking about before he gained complete power. So if Steve Cohen were living in the 30s in Germany, he would be raising his hand in salute to Hitler. That’s what he would be doing.

Leahy: Well Steve Cohen you are welcome to come on and try to defend yourself. I doubt that you are going to accept the invitation. Steve Cohen and Jon Meacham and all these leftist types.

Carmichael: Socialists.

Leahy: You’re all welcome to come in. You’re all welcome to call. If you’re listening and you’re a socialist call us. We want to talk with you.

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